A reply to dlowber's LJ post.
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angelakHere is the original thread.
I agree.
Though arguing devil's advocate here; I'd point out that all humans were created in God's image, as it were.
That means, because we're insensitive, tantrum throwing, sick, bastards, this is exactly what the religious "God," could be perceived as. Therefore saying that the bible God might possibly be a child-raping, murderous, and selfish being.
Granted. I don't really believe the half of that, either.
I just do not believe the God that is portrayed out of the bible. (Surprise, surprise, a majority of pagans don't.)
The logic of the bible in a lot of ways is a deep paradox, and probably not meant to be taken so literal.
It's probably several sets of varying metaphors and analogies, meant to help people find guidance in life, with some historical value thrown in there as well. Or historical here-say. It was transcribed and translated and translated. By humans. And humans are often erroneous.
The game of telephone is a fun one, though I wouldn't go writing a research paper using information gleaned from this type of source. Credibility, and all that.
Though, as I'm not that sort of "religious," type, I just thought I'd write some here for the sake of thinking on the topic.
Personally, I suppose the world could not exist without both good and evil - and that somehow the bad things are there to balance out reality. Without life, there cannot be death, without chaos, there cannot be order. This makes me feel like I am in circle at Fires of Lughnasadh. As these things are pretty deep and the rituals I have been a part of were deep, meaningful, life-changing events, it feels as though I am standing in the middle of that stone circle all over again. The voices, alongside my own, echo in the kaleidoscope of time and the past.
Ni tamh gun beatha, ni beatha gun tamh.
(No death without life, no life without death)
Of course, the whole string of ritual liturgy follows suit in my head, because the lines are forever burned into my brain. They're as much a part of me now, as my flesh perhaps. And once I start a set of lines, as all you SC folks will relate, the rest just come along with it.
I DIGRESS:
Perhaps this isn't the best form of thought in and of itself, however... it's the train of thought that best suits my method operandi.
It's unjust for perverse things to happen to people. It's horrible, lousy, and abominable. However, I see this reality as the sad truth of the multi-faceted face of humanity. Humans are beautiful, ... and ugly.
We all have beauty within us. And we all have ugliness. Which do we most choose to use for our true Will? That's where individual variances come in. Most people that I know, (these are the people that I love dearly and know very well) nurture the beauty of their human-ness.
These things that dblower speaks of are the ugly.
The innocence he speaks of is part of the beauty.
I blame (yes) and take responsibility as a human for the ugliness, even that which isn't mine personally to own. I admit that I am a part of a species that is ugly to one another. I also accept that individually, there is a whole lot other than that ugliness out there. Including the innocence that was mostly each and every one of "us," - as children. And I accept that my true Will is towards nurturing the beauty.
Does that make sense? It's probably a bunch of senseless ramble.
Yet - it's the ramble that drives my views on these deep, saddening topics.
It's also the truth that I carry with me every day as a human.
-Angela
I agree.
Though arguing devil's advocate here; I'd point out that all humans were created in God's image, as it were.
That means, because we're insensitive, tantrum throwing, sick, bastards, this is exactly what the religious "God," could be perceived as. Therefore saying that the bible God might possibly be a child-raping, murderous, and selfish being.
Granted. I don't really believe the half of that, either.
I just do not believe the God that is portrayed out of the bible. (Surprise, surprise, a majority of pagans don't.)
The logic of the bible in a lot of ways is a deep paradox, and probably not meant to be taken so literal.
It's probably several sets of varying metaphors and analogies, meant to help people find guidance in life, with some historical value thrown in there as well. Or historical here-say. It was transcribed and translated and translated. By humans. And humans are often erroneous.
The game of telephone is a fun one, though I wouldn't go writing a research paper using information gleaned from this type of source. Credibility, and all that.
Though, as I'm not that sort of "religious," type, I just thought I'd write some here for the sake of thinking on the topic.
Personally, I suppose the world could not exist without both good and evil - and that somehow the bad things are there to balance out reality. Without life, there cannot be death, without chaos, there cannot be order. This makes me feel like I am in circle at Fires of Lughnasadh. As these things are pretty deep and the rituals I have been a part of were deep, meaningful, life-changing events, it feels as though I am standing in the middle of that stone circle all over again. The voices, alongside my own, echo in the kaleidoscope of time and the past.
Ni tamh gun beatha, ni beatha gun tamh.
(No death without life, no life without death)
Of course, the whole string of ritual liturgy follows suit in my head, because the lines are forever burned into my brain. They're as much a part of me now, as my flesh perhaps. And once I start a set of lines, as all you SC folks will relate, the rest just come along with it.
I DIGRESS:
Perhaps this isn't the best form of thought in and of itself, however... it's the train of thought that best suits my method operandi.
It's unjust for perverse things to happen to people. It's horrible, lousy, and abominable. However, I see this reality as the sad truth of the multi-faceted face of humanity. Humans are beautiful, ... and ugly.
We all have beauty within us. And we all have ugliness. Which do we most choose to use for our true Will? That's where individual variances come in. Most people that I know, (these are the people that I love dearly and know very well) nurture the beauty of their human-ness.
These things that dblower speaks of are the ugly.
The innocence he speaks of is part of the beauty.
I blame (yes) and take responsibility as a human for the ugliness, even that which isn't mine personally to own. I admit that I am a part of a species that is ugly to one another. I also accept that individually, there is a whole lot other than that ugliness out there. Including the innocence that was mostly each and every one of "us," - as children. And I accept that my true Will is towards nurturing the beauty.
Does that make sense? It's probably a bunch of senseless ramble.
Yet - it's the ramble that drives my views on these deep, saddening topics.
It's also the truth that I carry with me every day as a human.
-Angela
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Date: 2006-03-10 07:16 pm (UTC)This is why I have a problem with many religions. A lot of them seem to be there to keep people in line, as it were. "You behave, or you're going to hell!"
I really can't talk much here, since I don't know a whole lot about the religions of the world. But I find it hard to believe that a God would let things such as what dlowber mentioned happened.
And I totally agree about the Bible. What many people fail to realize is that the Bible was written by humans. Things get changed here and there. And I highly doubt that EVERY person who contributed to the Bible was pure and saintly. That's deluded on so many levels.
I don't begrudge anyone their faith, but a lot of people don't examine it close enough.